You gotta admire those older couples who have been married for a billion years and still seem blissfully happy. It seems pretty amazing and inspiring. But if you ask them, they’ll surely tell you they’ve had their issues—maybe even some significant ones. In this week’s episode, I talk to Harville and Helen, who have been married for quite a while, but they almost got divorced. They’ve been teaching couples how to do relationships for many years—and learning a ton as they go. Listen to the episode to hear the valuable ground they cover and how they reversed their decision to divorce.